If I might, I just want to address the idea of ‘language use’ as being something strictly ‘human’. That’s not necessarily true. There are a lot of creatures (parrots, cuttlefish, octopus, to a lesser extent chimps and bonobos) that use rudimentary language to communicate rather complex thoughts. We don’t know if the sas ’speak a language’ or if they’re communicating general ideas through the use of vocalizations (parrots do this… living with several over the years I eventually learned the ‘get away from me’ the ‘there’s something scary’ the ‘ooo good food!’ etc. A simple command of ‘get back close to me’ or ‘knock it off’ isn’t a very complex communication and is perfectly within precedent of what’s demonstrated in the animal kingdom.

Not to say that I feel sas are indeed ‘just another ape’… in fact, that’s exactly NOT what I think, but… just makin’ a point here. :)

Further, to address the idea of the individual being a nurturing male, I suppose it’s possible, but not ‘likely’. None of the great ape species prevail upon the male to look after the young except humans (and even then, I’d say it’s a cultural construct rather than a biological one).

Anyway, I’m really enjoying reading these reports and the database stuff… keep it comin’ Autumn!! :)

As far as witnesses describing Sas as Apelike or Human like, I suspect some of that is subjective. If Sas is what we are beginning to think he/she is, then perhaps it’s more in between, and interpreted as such. It likely depends on how much was seen, and at what angle.

What was the prominent aspect…the Eyes (human like), the angles of the Head and Face (ape like)…etc.
And it also would have to do with what a person expected to see…..like ‘it’s an animal’, and then the Eyes are seen, and the hunter is unable to shoot, because ‘it looked too human’.
And then of course, they would possibly vary a good deal between indiviuals, and geography, wouldn’t you think?
I mean, don’t We?

As far as Penguins and 21st century males being single fathers and nurturing, well, that’s pretty distant on the evolutionary tree for one, and pretty recent history for the other.

I intuit that Sas are likely more like We were for the many thousands of years, and the 99% of our existence on this planet; and like the Apes as well.
Females are smaller, and perform the role for the most part of nurturer. It’s pretty primal.
I see no correlation between them and penguins, quite frankly. No more than Seahorses, where the males carries the eggs in his body!

Species specific characteristics would indicate the male role model of Protector, Explorer and Dominant individual, I suspect.

Autumn, thank you! This site is really fun and interesting, and I’m very glad you’ve created it!

Carol

The comfort might be due to expecting the humans to be asleep (perhaps from a lack of active-awake smell); it couldn’t be due to being watched by a human female.

(On the other hand, the relative lack of panic in the adult’s expedient retreat might have been due to seeing only a human female.)

JRP

Also animals are very active in the early morning hours and the campers were sleeping so there was no noise so perhaps the Sas felt comfortable taking the young one that close? Plus I agree that maybe knowing the witness watching was female led the Sas to believe there was no threat. We all have a need instilled in us; as females to protect our young at all costs. It could have also been some kind of lesson for the little one regarding humans.

There’s my two cents =)

About the smell I have yet to get any of that with the exception of once last week I did a smell while hiking when it was raining. I had walked about .5 mile from the highway where I parked the car and it was a sweaty type smell and I thought it was me at first but I wasn’t sweating. I then 75″ more feet or so and the smell was gone. I kept walking up the trail and I thought I heard a dog bark which I found to be strange I turned around and didn’t see any dog or anything else. There was surely no people on this road as it wasn’t an ideal day for a hike. I walked back to the same area where I got the odd ‘body odor smell’ and it was there again only about 6″ wide on the trail and it seemed to be coming from the hillside above. I then walked back to the car without further incident. Whether its attributed to BF or not its interesting research none the less. Lets just say for the sake of argument that it was attributed to BF I believe this animal goes to great lengths to fake us humans out.

With regard to the larger Bigfoot communicating with the smaller one:

A crypto-linguist (whose name escapes me) claims that the Sasquatches speak an actual language. I initially thought that, if they have their own language, Sasquatches must be some type of human being.

On the other hand, some gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and orangutans have been taught to communicate with humans. So, use of a language does not necessarily make the Bigfoot creatures human — correct?

I’m sorry if this is diverging from the original subject.

The main thing that I wanted to ask is:

How do you reconcile some of the Bigfoot creatures having very human-looking faces and some having ape-like faces?

Could they be two different species?

Could they be some type of a primitive (relict) human-ape hybrid, with the individuals exhibiting either human faces or ape faces?

I’ve been confused about why some drawings of Sasquatches show them with human-looking faces but other sketches show them looking very ape-like, indeed.

Donna

That being said, I think I somehow skipped over your qualifying paragraph, too. My apologies for that. {s}

(Connie: the pair was 70 feet away; the small one was reported as never being more than 10 feet away from the larger one.)

JRP

The smell? Well, I am not a big believer in Bigfoot suppose to smell like a garbage dump. I have been in the woods all my life and know that an animal does not have much of an odor unless they are rutting or have been in the garbage dumps like a bear would do to seek out food, and of course the skunk or civet cat. The most I have smelled from an animal is when they are in the rut. Elk make a terrible stink in the woods and I have been known to smell the same way when hunting them… :) But I believe these creatures are smarter than that to let humans know them by their stink. Even in the stories of old and Native American Indian stories my grandmother would tell was that they were very clean ‘hairy men’ like the Native American Indians. They did not let themselves have an odor, vanity, maybe, but also not only for spiritual reasons but because they knew that the smell of a human could frighten off game. And when you hunt with a bow and arrow or spear, you have to get very close to your game. If Bigfoot isn’t a vegetarian, than he will have to get close to his game without the use of a bow and arrow or spear. How to do that? Be very fast and odorless.

Okay, enough of me on smell…

I also think that every habitat will be different for every regional Bigfoot in ways that would determine their diet, family group numbers, hair color(which could dictate the change in weather), breeding season(if they have one), and family or group cultural. I mean, the witness surmises that the bigger of the two was a “she” because she gave some grunts and the smaller one obeyed. She did not determine that the creature was a female although she was only 10 feet away. So what if it was a male? More men in our society these days are known to be single parents raising their children. What if the Sasquatch was like the penguins where the father takes care of the egg and when it hatches he takes care of the chick until the mother comes back from all her running around eating and getting fat? Okay, I am not comparing Sasquatch with a penguin, but I am trying to point out a few things that we are only surmising at. We are pointing to things that are what our culture tends to do. Not what an unknown creature might do. And since we did not get a look at the creatures genitalia, than I suppose we can not make a definite conclusion on the gender. On either of them! And they were just 10 feet away?!!!

Another question that is bugging me…why would a wild creature that is so timid and secretive come into a camp with others around and tents right at their feet and not fear them? We said that she did not fear the observer because she was a female? Or that she was quiet? I don’t know, but it sounds very strange that an intellegent animal that has been dogging every kind of equipment and expeditions to find them, walks into a camp with people all around (probably snoring if they are like any of my camping buddies) and let themselves be observed while reaching up to a branch when there are berries on hand…

But again, I have had elk bed down in my camp and bear and deer walk in camp and eat around it and what ever…but…are they as intelligent as a Sasquatch? I guess I always thought that Bigfoot had some kind of intelligence…maybe not; and in the observers scenario it doesn’t look like it.

Was this observer an investigator of Bigfoot? Most women I know would run if they saw a mouse in the woods let alone a Bigfoot. And I shouldn’t just say women, because I have seen grown men run when they see a bear or cougar. So if this woman saw not one, but two sasquatches at 10 feet in front of her and didn’t have to clean her pants, than I would have to advise you to hire her for an investigator.

Anyway, Autumn, if this wasn’t the kind of commentary you wanted than I will not feel put down if you do not publish it. I don’t know if you wanted opinions or observances. I guess I gave you both…lol. This is just for you anyway, I like to give my opinion once in a while and since I have more time on my hands at the moment I thought I would write to you.

Hope all is well with you and the baby.

Sincerely,

Connie

What struck me most was the lack of fear. The reporter seems quite calm about the encounter, as do the creatures involved. I have to wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that the Sas felt less intimidated because the reporter was female (and therefore not viewed as a threat)?

In most reports i have read the Sas remove themselves with great haste. That does not seem to be the case here.